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Overall: A short and entertaining biography by Brian Fothergill. Comes with some 1970s sexism (mostly directed at Emma Hamilton) and not exactly homophobia but weird ideas, as when the author quotes first Pope's vicious satire on Hervey the memoirist (which basically accuses Lord Hervey of androgyny and gayness) and then proudly points out Hervey produced eight children with Molly for all that supposed gayness, so there, Alexander Pope. (Brian Fothergill, the ability to procreate doesn't say anything about one's sexual orientation, not that said orientation needs defending in the first place. As [personal profile] cahn said, if Monsieur could do it... ) , but is not, repeat not, a hagiography. Our author points out that Frederick Hervey had a definite cruel streak in his temper, was very self centric and unbelievably callous when cutting off people and/or ignoring them despite all professed previous affection. It's no wonder Augustus was Molly's favourite son; loyalty isn't Frederick's strong suit, at least not when it comes to women, be they wives, daughters or mistresses/ heavily flirted with female friends. (William Hamilton as Fothergill says was one of the very few exceptions in Frederick's life, a relationship that lasted their entire life time, literally, because they were both born in 1730 (you know, that year where the most exciting thing that happened was Heinrich moving in with AW) and died in the same year, too, and from their public school days at Westminster on were firm friends who never had a fallout. Which is true for hardly anyone else and the Earl-Bishop. Though presumably it helped that once William Hamilton becomes an envoy, it's a long distance friendship punctured by occasional visits.

Sources and source problems )

On to the story of Frederick, third son of Hervey the memoirist and Molly, named after Fritz of Wales who was his literal godfather in the heyday of his and Hervey the Memoirist's friendship.

Portrait of the Bishop as a young traveller )

Meet the Hamiltons )

Hero to the Irish )


But before I get to the later journeys, let's talk about Frederick Hervey as a father. Because the biography clarifed that he is the father of one the most sensational talked about ladies of her day. His daughter Elizabeth would bear several names in her time, but is best known as Bess Foster, and when I came across her in this biography, I thought, OMG, Bess Foster is a Hervey, that explains so much.

Deadbeat Dad )

Flirting Globetrotter )

How to (not) get related to the Hohenzollern via the King's mistress )

How to not play Scarlet Pimpernel )


Bess Foster discussion )
As much as he was a deadbeat Dad to her, I do think Frederick Hervey would have approved. :)
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This book, "transcribed from the original manuscript at Ickworth and edited by David Erskine" as the front page says, was published in 1754 when David Erskine, a 20th century Hervey descended, talked his grandmother, the then owner of the Hervey papers, into letting him do this. His amusing and very well written introduction proves he has the Hervey literary gift, and I wish I could quote it entirely, but a few choice quotes and paraphrases about the maddest Herveys will have to do. (Lord Hervey the memoirist isn't one of them, and not because David Erskine straightwashes him.)

General Overview: )

Now, on to the quotes.

The Hervey Family *snap* *snap* )


From now on, I'm quoting Augustus directly, not Erskine's introduction anymore:


Augustus marries the most famous noble bigamist of the century )

Augustus the Florence Tourist )

Two Hannover princes: The Augustus Hervey pov )


Later that year, our enterprising young Augustus Hervey visits Paris and Versailles:

The next day I was presented to the Queen, she spoke to none of us; afterwards to the Dauphin at his apartment, then to the Dauphiness in hers. Then we went to Madame Pompadour's apartment. She was at her toilette, and the handsomest creature I think I ever saw, and looked like a rock of diamonds. Then we went to Madame L'Infanta de Parma. and Mesdames. The Infanta of Parma spoke to me directly and asked me how I liked Paris, and how Italy. I was the only one spoke to that was presented, and that only by her Royal Highness and Madame Pompadour, who had all FRance round her toilette and seemed to have much more court paid to her than to the Queen.

Reminder: the Infanta of Parma is of course daughter to Louis XV, mother to Isabella the future wife of Joseph, and to the unfortunate education experiment Ferdinand. Mesdames are Louis XV' unmarried daughters who will still be around and edge on a teenage Marie Antoinette to snub Madame Dubarry decades later. The Dauphin and Dauphiness are both doomed to die relatively young, they're the parents of Louis XVI. Madame de Pompadour receiving people at her morning toilette is something near royal only the Maitresse en Titre would do.

1750: It's time for Hervey family trouble!

Herveys and Hannovers: The Family Arguments War is On! )

In 1752, Augustus is off to Portugal, and this is when the English Casanova designation comes in. According to himself, of course.

Sexy Portuguese Nuns For the Win! )


Anyway, this is fairly typical for peace time Augustus with the navy. I should add that if his ship is tasked to ferry nobility around, as wiht the Marquis de Bernis, brother to the famous Cardinal (French politician) and his wife (the Marquis is Ambassador at Venice and that's where they are headed), as opposed to concerts and sex this can hahppen:

The 18th we lay thirteen hours under a mainsail with a very violent gale of wind indeed, these people all sick and frightened to death. Most of my own servants were sick too, and I was night and day attending this poor Madame de Bernis, even to giving her the chamber-pot and holding her head and the basin eternally whilst she was sick.

Visiting Roman Ruins Near Naples )

A Ravishing Duchess and the Earthquake of Lissabon )

As far as the French and British are concerned, the 7 Years War then starts not with Fritz invading Saxony but earlier with the French taking Minorca after the Brits lose the previous sea battle, leading to the government scapegoating Admiral Byng, Augustus' boss.

The Tragedy of Admiral Byng )

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